to praise Mr. Apocalypse cause he posted SANGRAAL's GEMINI WARS demo tape on his blog which I was trying to track down for 8 years without luck till now you got another GEHENNA, IRON LUNG, FALL SILENT, etc. related post: here's UGLY REFLECTION the 2nd and last 12" of Reno's VAE VICTIS. with the exception of their 2 tracks on the RENO - WHERE DREAMS COME TO DIE comp. 12" I think their entire discography should now be posted? it's a rather short one anyway those 2 compilation tracks, a split 7" with AHRIMAN, their 1st 12" and their 2nd full-length here. VAE VICTIS was born from the ashes of EVERSKWELCH (from which I never heard just a single track from). VAE VICTIS was active from 1997 until 2001. in their short lifetime VAE VICTIS managed to completely convince me that they are a really great band! they had dark lyrics, song titles like SLOW SUICIDE, over pounding drums and razor sharp guitars and of course the necessary METAL parts included in their song-writing to make it work!